Why and How do most solar companies try to keep you from comparing solar panel prices? The normal way the PV industry compares costs of solar panels is by comparing the price per watt.

How and Why they don’t want you to know that:

1. Panel sellers don’t give you the price up front. They tell you everything else, except the price.

2. They try to get you to make a decision to buy panels based on fluff rather than shopping around for the best price. Did you know that contractors often charge you more for the installation than for the entire PV system?!

3. They don’t point out that all solar panels are much more similar than different.

A. Essentially, they all, every single one, last a remarkable 30 to 40 years and even longer!

B. They are all made of the exact same components: 36, 60 or 72 crystalline silicon solar cells, one sheet of tempered glass, two sheets of ethel vinyl acetate plastic laminating film, a Tedlar white back skin, an anodized aluminum frame, an electrical junction box, and two MC 4 cable connectors. They are all structurally the same!

C.  They act like the price per watt isn’t an important consideration when buying your electrical power. They try diverting your attention, just like a magician does, somewhere else, to other substantially less important subjects. It’s as if your cost per kilowatt hour rate on your utility companies electric bill isn’t important! They don’t want to make it easy for you to compare their panels with anyone else’s. Otherwise, you’ll just Google “lowest price per watt solar panels”. Go ahead try it.

D. If you could line up all the solar panels made and you had a race like the hundred yard dash, they’d all come in within a few feet of each other. But the one who won by an inch would be advertising how they were so much better than the rest.

E. The efficiency of today’s solar panels ranges from 14% to 21%. However, the 21% efficient module is a $1.50 to $2/watt and the 14% one is $.35/ watt. And to even get the 21% ones you have to either be an installer or use the installer the manufacturer selects and buy all the rest of the system from them.  You pay substantially more per watt for the highest efficiency module. Maybe 3 to 4 times as much! And that’s not the last of your issues.

F. Efficiency is only important if you have limited space like a boat, RV, space satellites, etc. or your putting in a huge number of modules like a solar farm.

G. If the American general public would learn they must get the cost per watt of solar panels, and even inverters and systems, to be able to make an educated decision when going solar they could lower the cost of going solar by half, I believe. They need to do exactly what the solar companies do when they go to buy their panels, the first thing they do is look at the cost per watt SO THEY CAN COMPARE AND SHOP AROUND!

OMG this blog is way too long! I’ve got to learn to shorten these blogs.

Anyway, I hope I didn’t confuse you and saved you a lot of money. Trust me I’ve seen all the other web sites and you know when a company doesn’t give you the cost per watt of their solar panels, there’s a reason; they’re gouging you.

The worst offenders are the companies that do installations and don’t even bother to give you a price for the parts and then a price for the labor. How can Americans act so dumb?!  They wouldn’t let the auto mechanic get away with that.

Thanks for considering what we’re saying here.

We always give you the price per watt, location, delivery time, shipping cost, inventory, what’s in stock or an honest ETA. And we dont play games or perform magic tricks to get you to go solar.

I’ve seen and read the 3-ring training binders the biggest PV companies use to train their salesmen. They are deceitful and misleading like you would not believe. I’d never let one of those guys into my house. I feel bad saying that, but I had a guy walk into my office and hand that manual to me, to make copies. I still have it. He was demoralized and he was scared to do it. He was really scared the company would find out. That was about five years ago; I doubt it’s all better now.

Thank you for reading my blog, and yeah, I know, it’s way too long. I apologize and I’ll  try not to do it again.

JK

WHAT ARE GRADE A, B, and C, PHOTOVOLTAIC MODULES ?

These Grade specifications for modules have changed over time and by manufacturing companies in  different parts of  the world.

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Usually, he’d manage to cherry pick us to death for our best inventory.\r\n\r\nAt Photowatt small minute cosmetic imperfections were allowed.  Modules with larger cosmetic imperfections were thrown in the garbage at the end of the assembly line, that is, until I or the technicians, started asking for them. Those and the low power modules were sold to a guy who was friends of the General Manager and he resold them to the sailors. Nowadays, factories, with much larger production volume, just create new modules with new model numbers and data sheets for these larger quantities, of lower output but perfectly good modules.\r\n\r\nIn the 70’s and early 80’s every manufacturer had a + or – 10% power output allowance, and 10 year warranties were standard. Then came the warranty war, from 15 years to 20, 25 and then one company even offered a 30 year warranty a few years ago but no mfrs. followed them. No one cared, 25 years was long enough, I think.\r\n\r\nIn the 90’s and 2,000’s, Suntech, the world’s largest manufacturer, used different wording for grades, Perfect grade, then A, then B Grades. Their Perfect grade was actually just an A grade, A grade equaled a B, and B grade was a grade C, if you compared their module grades to all the other manufacturers.\r\n\r\nFor a long time, in some places, like China, many manufacturers didn’t know what the difference was between a grade B or C. For them any module that was not an A grade was simply a Grade B and it ends right there.\r\n\r\nThe basic difference between a B and an A, is that B grade modules have slight minute cosmetic imperfections that are almost imperceptible to the eye. 12 years ago we got a call one day Alan King from Evergreen. He said, I’ve got a lot of B Grade modules here would you be interested in them. The price was about 35% less than their A Grade. They had the same warranty, 25 years and UL so I said sure. There was a huge demand at the time from Europe (especially the German’s) but they wanted nothing to do with B Grade, so we had them all to ourselves. Then they changed their minds after we sold many tens of thousands of them into Europe and they bought them all at a higher price and installed them on solar farms, and commercial and residential applications.\r\n\r\nWe got another call from Alan and he said he had C Grade at 45% less than A Grade. We ordered a pallet to look at them and they were 95% identical to B Grade. They did not have UL or a Warranty . Christy my daughter and our Phoenix sales team took an A, B and a C Grade module of 250 watts ea. to a PV show and displayed them side by side at our booth and asked people to identify which was which and basically, no one could do it. The prices were substantially different and the lifetimes were identical. Only the warranty and the certification on the C Grade was substantially different.\r\n\r\nhe basic difference between a grade B and a grade C is that C grade modules are have the same type of cosmetic imperfections but just more of them and they’re larger. But even most C grade modules’ imperfections are difficult to spot unless someone shows them to you from 7 feet away.\r\n\r\nB grade cosmetic imperfections include a tiny chip on the edge or corner of a couple cells, a scratch on a frame, a scratch on the glass, a bubble under the tedlar backskin, a few missing gridlines on a cell, a small piece of foreign matter under the glass, a slightly discolored cell and micro-cracks. C grade cosmetic imperfections are exactly the same B Grade but there are more of them. They are still usually very difficult to see from 8 away.\r\n\r\nMicro-cracks are small invisible cracks you can usually only see in an electro-luminescence testing machine on the assembly line. Basically the mfrs. put the panel in front of a special bright light, if there are any major micro-cracks they take these modules and separate them. The substantial majority of micro-cracks occur mainly after the modules have been manufactured and passed this inspection. The handling: packing, transportation and the installation cause the most.\r\n\r\nKyocera Solar, where I worked for 6 years, allows A grade modules to have small chips on the cell edges but they will only tolerate a certain size chip about 1 mm by 1 mm, I believe, and on just a couple cells like that. They have no B modules, per say, but rather, if there is a small cosmetic imperfection they actually repair them in the factory. I have toured the Kyocera plant and actually saw the tolerance allowances and the location where they “operated” on these modules and turned them into “perfect” looking modules again. Or, they catch the grade B cells before the module assembly and manufacturing and sell them to other manufacturers in China, India, etc. to be cut and made into garden, pathway, decorative lights.\r\n\r\nDozens of the world’s top name brands have sold us tens of thousands of  B and C grade modules over the years, including Kyocera, Mitsubishi, Sanyo, Sharp, Astronergy, Topoint, AUO, LG, Suntech, Suniva, Solar World, Solarex, BP Solar, Sungen, Dupont, Photowatt, Sovello, GE Solar, Apollo Solar, Schott, Evergreen, Sovello, and many others. If they weren’t safe, you can be sure they would not be selling them to us.\r\n\r\nThey like to sell them to us, because we can sell them outside of the country where they will not disrupt their distribution networks. And, because of the size of our international distribution network, They also know that we can be trusted to respect and protect the safety of our customers and those that use these modules. We make sure that everyone we sell to, knows that the only use of these modules is for battery based, low voltage (12, 24, or 48 volt) off-grid or hybrid systems.\r\n\r\nGrade D modules are generally considered unusable and thrown out. They include modules with broken glass, short circuits, or modules with cracks that are horizontal, across a cell, and that intersect all the bus bars (usually two or three per cell) on the surface of the cells. Modules with cells like this are destroyed or in rare cases, (Kyocera is the only company I have ever seen that does this), are repaired.\r\n\r\nI was told once by an employee at GE Solar that If you had shaded a large array, and you shaded just one cell (say with a leaf) and that cell had a major micro crack crack, and it was a grid tied system (they use high voltage (approximately 300 volts),  you could have serious hot spotting. A hot spot short and can go to 300 degrees F. in about 1 min. Luckily modules made with glass have an extremely difficult time burning. According to the Insurance Industry research we had done by our Hartford  Insurance Agent, there has never been a case of any house burning because of solar modules.\r\n\r\nWe regularly sell Perfect Suntech, and A, B, and C modules from some of the largest manufacturers in the world who gladly sell them to us without fear of anyone’s house burning down. We are talking about some of the largest module manufacturers in the world here. Almost all of these modules come with flash test reports attached to the top of each pallet and in every case it shows B and C Grade modules put out exactly the same power as their Grade A modules and the same lifetime.\r\n\r\nI have worked in the solar industry for 37 years, for 3 U.S. Congressmen, the Governor of Arizona’s Arizona Solar Energy Commission, Photocomm, Photowatt Int., and Kyocera Solar Int. and have owned my own solar electric company for 20 years. Grade B, C, and in some cases even D modules are the best thing that ever happened to the PV Industry. The drop in prices for these readily available modules is astonishing.\r\n\r\nIn the last 20 years we have sold about 40,000 Grade B, C, and a few carefully selected D modules. Most of the B and C have been Evergreen Solar Modules.The Evergreen Ribbon Technology is one of the only different crystalline modules because it uses only a fraction of the silicon of any other crystalline module made in the industry today. When the cost of silicon shoots up the competitive value of this efficient manufacturing technology keeps Evergreen Modules in high demand. This Ribbon technology was developed by MIT and Mobile Oil Int. then purchased by Evergreen Solar in Mass., it’s an American Company.\r\n\r\nTo this day we have never had one Evergreen B module come back. There has never been a module short reported either. We make it a point to tell people that our own brand of C grade modules should only be used for low voltage applications like off grid independent homes or systems with 12, 24 and 48 volt battery banks.\r\n\r\nThe result of not just destroying less than Perfect modules has been a blessing to thousands of people as it has enabled them to have a better life or to get a PV system at a significantly lower price.\r\n\r\nThe most popular solar company on the internet is not always the best company to buy your modules from. Home Depot, Wholesale Solar and most others on the first page of Goggle under the search term Solar Panels, sell their PV modules at a set price rather than an easy to compare $/watt price. For single modules, Wholesale Solar’s site does offer $/watt pricing on about a dozen modules. Those dozen modules average a $/watt price of approximately $1.07/watt.\r\n\r\nHome Depot has never had $/watt pricing. Their most popular brand, Grape Solar, sells for $$370 or $1.39/watt for a 265 watt module. For over 25 years, Sun Electronics has always shown their modules in $/watt prices, this is very important. Our current best prices are $.48 to $.58/watt for grade A with major brand names,\r\n\r\nOur current advertised price on Grade B modules is  $.19/watt to $.26/watt from Sharp Solar.  They come with a 20 year warranty and are in stock in our warehouse not someone else’s.\r\n

WHAT ARE GRADE A, B, and C, PHOTOVOLTAIC MODULES ?

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The Kimball Brothers

My brother Richard and his wife Adelaide sent me a book they wrote called “The Kimball Brothers”. Not me and my three brothers but that of another set of Kimball Brothers. It was surprising to say the least. Things like the first electric light bulbs ever demonstrated in Chicago at one of the largest carriage companies in the U.S. belonging to my family (no cars yet), Edwin and his wife Elizabeth Kimball sailed on the Titanic, a plaque at Harvard dedicated to my Uncle Alton Kimball, the Kimball Amendment that put moved the capitol of Georgia from someplace in Ga. into one of our properties in Atlanta and more.

I really appreciated that. Very cool.

CONTAINER PRICING

A & B GRADE, FOR U.S.A. AND EXPORT ONLY

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We have 750pcs Trina poly 235watt B Grade solar panels, .59/W with very slight blemish not effecting solar panel lifetime or output. 20 year warranty.

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\r\n8/ 18, 2013\r\n\r\n.59/W,  Qty 4,200  JA Solar B-grade modules.There is a slight color difference in some cells. They are made with JA cells produced in China, so these can’t be shipped into the U.S.A.  They have a SUN label but you can see the barcode of JA on the front side. They are brand new and have never been used.\r\n\r\nWATTS   QTY.\r\n\r\n>>> 235    900\r\n\r\n>>> 240    565\r\n\r\n>>> 245    100\r\n\r\n>>> 250    232\r\n\r\n>>> 255    344\r\n\r\n>>> 260    100\r\n\r\n>>> 280    792\r\n\r\n>>> 285    484\r\n\r\n>>> 290    321\r\n\r\n>>> 295    330\r\n\r\n_______________________________________________________________\r\n\r\n8/ 16/13\r\n\r\nThese panels are in California.  The price is FOB CA, Grade A panels.\r\n\r\nWe can offer them to you at $0.64/W for the remaining inventory:\r\n\r\n1. Poly TPB156X156-60-P 240Wp about 360pcs\r\n\r\n2. Poly TPB156X156-72-P 280Wp about 200pcs\r\n\r\n________________________________________________________________\r\n

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8/9/2013Qty. 7000 – 220 Watts. 40 ft. holds 700 modules, 49¢/Watt.These were installed for 1 year on a project that lost its financing. Also they have small marks on cells, same power, same lifetime. 20 yr. Total module price can be calculated at 220 watts even though the actual power is 230 W to plus 3%. 7,000 available,  25/ pallet. 40 ft.  holds 700 pcs.

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$0.48/W.  These can be imported into the U.S. 4,000 modules available.   

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7/16/13Thin film 100 Watt for 44¢/Watt Also: 15 pallets in U.S.A. Mono 250w for 79¢/Watt, in L.APoly 280 Watt Poly, 79¢/watt by pallets of 20 in Los Angeles.

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10 $1.08/Watt 280*360*25mm 1.30kg 17.3V 0.58A 21.8V 0.65A
20 $1.04/Watt 510*350*25mm 2.30kg 17.3V 1.16A 21.8V 1.26A
30 98¢/Watt 500*500*25mm 3.00kg 17.3V 1.74A 21.8V 1.92A
40 94¢/Watt 650*500*25mm 4.00kg 17.3V 2.31V 21.8V 2.61V
50 90¢/Watt 660*660*30mm 4.80kg 17.3V 2.89A 21.8V 3.17A
60 88¢/Watt 930*500*30mm 5.60kg 17.3V 3.47A 21.8V 3.73A
70 88¢/Watt 1080*500*30mm 6.60kg 17.3V 4.05A 21.8V 4.42A
80 88¢/Watt 930*660*30mm 7.10kg 17.3V 4.63A 21.8V 5.02A
120 82¢/Watt 1360*660*30mm 11.10kg 17.3V 6.94A 21.8V 7.63A
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ME JOHNNY JOHN KIMBALLS SON IM WRITING THIS ; )

Today Johnny 8 went to try out for the local swim team in Miami Beach. He made it, well he didn’t quite make it, but he’s a level 3 so he just has to polish his strokes for 4 classes then if he’s good enough and  he’s on the team! That’s my son right. City, State, Nationals and then the Olympics I’m already pinching myself so I won’t cry. He can already do a perfect flip turn and can hold his breath for a lap and a half . That’s really good for 8, I think. He’s got 4 great friends in the Condo now. Tiny Elena from Italy 6 or 7 right down the hall and the three boys, Luca, 8, Milan 8, and the Alexander 9 right upstairs. He’s one happy camper playing and swimming and mine or mind craft or whatever and whatever he can get his hands on including all cell phones, iphones, TV’s as long as their a form of electronics. Just like his Dad all night long with his computer is his idea of a great life too doing what he likes best. If you want to be a hero with kids all you have to do is play mine craft any adult over 50 who does that, is totally AAAWWWSSSOOOMMEEE. You also can control their behavior so easily like a remote control “alright no more electronics!” and watch them screech to a stop doing whatever it is you don’t want them doing, right. when they make too much noise have you ever pulled the quiet game on them, I can’t believe they fall for that year after year. How long does that last anyway?\n\nThis is his dad in case you can’t tell.\n\nBACK IN MIAMI\n\nI came back to Miami a couple weeks ago from San Francisco  the first restaurant i went to eat breakfast was………………………….. DENNY’S it was so great i won a stuffed animal and\n\nI also went to the movie……… DESPICABLE ME 2 it was a great movie you should see it        even if you are a grown up the movie is for EVERYONE.\n\n>/////////<>\n\n> ////////<>                        go to the movies          DESPICABLE ME 2\n\nI had a great time in San Francisco my favorite part was the 7D 7 dimension  in was soooooo cool, you get to pick two things, apocalypse of brain eating zombies or a mad scientist with his evil robot minions that stole 9 billion dollars and you have to shoot them. You play against other people, who ever shoots the most zombies or robot wins. you also have to look out for police badges in the zombie game and sheriff badges in the robot game for both games if you get them you win 500 points and if you shoot a citizen you lose 500 points their  dressed in blue or red, there only girls and there was also a mirror maze. it had blinking on and off lights (colorful lights) it was really hard. if you pay once you get to go as much times as you want. if you keep the gloves (the gloves are so if you touch the mirrors you don’t get them dirty) you can go any time or any day you want.\n\nOh yeah I also recommend you to read my uncle’s book its called how to stop believing in hell and his name is Robert clayton Kimball but I only recommend it for you if you are a very good reader because it is a really really a  big book.\n\nJRK

Wow a vacation.

 

 

My Chief E.E., NABCEP Cert., Lek;  our R.N. Rackya, his wife; our V.P., Graciela, my wife; our Marketing Manager, Christy, my daughter;  our V.V.P., Johnny my 8 year old son and myself, went to Intersolar 2013 in S.F.

I barely remember the exhibition. I’m going to start going to the talks. I might actually learn something.

Two things I did learn at the show was that to take down that system in the Blue Chip/ SMI/Moecker auction for Blue Chip’s used 6,000 – 250 watt modules is that they had counterfeit UL labels. And, the requirement to dismantle them and the ballasted mounting system would have cost us $.25/watt or about $250,000. Thank you Dave Katz and Adam Loucks for both those pieces of enlightening information. Yeah, it is always in the fine print.

Now the trip was a different story. Christy found us a wonderful 3 bedroom house saving us about  $2,000 in hotel rooms and food. We rented a mustang convertible for only $20 extra. Lek and his wife drove up from L.A. I arrived first and fell right to sleep, then Lek, then Graciela and Johnny showed up from Mexico late that night, where all my new relatives live, about 3 million of them.

Johnny was worried about finding me because it was so dark, but it wasn’t hard, he pin-pointed  me immediately upon entering the door, three stories up, snoring like an elephant seal.

We went to the Mirror Maze and 7D on pier 39 thanks to hot tip by a hot girl in front of one of the booths at the show. 7D was a seven dimensional ride with lazer guns, zombies, banditos, shaking and swinging chairs, it was really really fun, go at least twice. The Mirror Maze was the best, no  greasy carnival mirrors on a trailered mobile home, but psychedelic paintings, black lights and big floor to ceiling length mirrors. You used plastic gloves to keep it spotless. It only cost 5 bucks. 

The sky moved like 100 mph all the time. Much different than Miami. It was in the 50’s and 60’s. We had a little backyard that Johnny managed to make into a wonderful experience. The house had a big Jacuzzi, a gas fire place, and a really weird collection of paintings and sculpture. In fact S.F. is full of weird; people, art, sex stuff, busses, trains, trolley’s, bums, hippies new and old style, districts and weather.

Other cool stuff: the richest section of town, Muir Woods, renting a convertible, blowing off fireworks in the streets of China town, walking in the clouds (its freezing), driving over the Golden Gate Bridge, …

Don’t: spend money on the restaurants, drive on the freeway, let your V.V.P. doesn’t throw up all over himself and the V.P. on the plane.

I finally got some sleep, by the way, so expect more real blogs instead of ads. Oh yeah and I like everyone in the office again.

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SOLAR PANEL AUCTION UPDATE

UPDATE ON SOLAR PANEL AUCTION!

\nWe previously informed all of our customers about an upcoming auction for about 7,000 new & used solar panels and all the Balance of System (BOS) equipment on it.\n\nIt has come to our attention that these panels will be too costly to uninstall from their current location and as such we will no longer be offering them. For those that have already reserved placement for the auction, we will give a full refund of the deposit.\n\nWe also found out that the UL labels on the used modules and on the 6,000 modules on  the system are under investigation by UL for being counterfeit and whoever buys them could end up in court with UL and they might end up being taken off the market.\n\nPlease read the following article for more information on this:\n

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     Finally we found out that the cost of removing the modules and ballasted mounting structure off the roof could cost a minimum of $.25/watt or approx. $400,000. In addition any damage to the roof would have to be paid for by the contractor. Then there would be very high heavy equipment rental costs, insurance costs, loading costs, transportation costs, local  storage costs near the site, unloading costs, palletizing costs, pallet costs,  transportation to our  Miami warehouse costs, more unloading, storage, packing, and a hell of a lot of paper work processing and, it would take way too long to keep anyone reasonably happy, or us reasonably sane.

\nWe figured all of this out in a record amount of time. We went to the site and inspected all of it. We wrote to UL and we found out the auction company is completely new at auctioning solar equipment, hence we had to figure out the specs, inventory and so much more by ourselves.\n\nI believe we did a great job in the end. No one got hurt financially or physically and our due diligence was sufficient to keep everyone’s money safe and secure. We owe a great degree of thanks to Adam Loucks and also to David Katz, one of the greatest, nicest and most famous guys in the PV industry, for his suggestions.”\n

     We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused and will continue to look for the best deals in solar products for you, our valued customers.

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ET-P672290WL $229.10 $200.10
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ET-P672300WL $237.00 $207.00
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\nETA August 12\n\nThe last two containers of SUN Sovellos

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$0.68/WMin:  4 SUN Sovello 195 Watts Solar PanelSUN Sovello Pure Power solar modules are produced in Germany according to theHighest Specifications.\n\nEvergreen licensed Sovello to make these string ribbon modules. These are nearly identical.
$0.68/WMin:  4 SUN Sovello 230 Watts Solar PanelSUN Sovello Pure Power solar panel are produced in Germany according to theHighest Specifications.\n\nEvergreen licensed Sovello to make these string ribbon modules. These are nearly identical.
$0.68/WMin:  4 SUN Sovello 240-Watt Solar PanelSUN Sovello Pure Power solar panels are produced in Germany according to theHighest Specification.\n\nEvergreen licensed Sovello to make these string ribbon modules. These are nearly identical.

\nFrom India tested with Electro Illuminescense  SONALI

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$0.88Min:  4 Sonali 230-Watt Polycrystalline Solar PanelSonali Solar SS-230 230 Watt solar panels ONLY 88¢ NORMALLY 98¢ PER WATT!!!
$0.88Min:  4 Sonali 240-Watt Polycrystalline Solar PanelSonali Solar SS-240 240 Watt solar panel ONLY 88¢ NORMALLY 98¢ PER WATT!!!
$0.88Min:  4 Sonali SS-250 250-Watt Polycrystalline Solar PanelSonali Solar SS-250 250 Watts solar panel/h3> ONLY 88¢ NORMALLY 98¢ PER WATT!!!
$0.88Min:  4 Sonali 300-Watt Polycrystalline Solar PanelSonali Solar SS-300 300 Watt solar panel ONLY 88¢ NORMALLY 98¢ PER WATT!!!

\nWe picked up our recently released SUN Refrigerator/Freezers from U.S. Customs and they arrived in our warehouse today!

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              DISPLAY            FREEZER OR REFRIGERATOR          REFRIG./FREEZER                                     12 OR 24 VOLTS, APPROX. 9 CU. FT. EACH.\n\n                             USES MIN. OF 1 BATTERY AND 1-130 WATT PANEL.\n\n                               $698 Each Price will increase to $888 after the sale.

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\nSun Electronics | 16725 NW 20TH AVE | Miami Gardens | FL | 33056

SUN ELECTRONICS SOLAR ALERT

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                              BE SURE TO CHECK IT ALL SINCE IT’S BEING UPDATED DAILY WITH

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                                                          NEW INVENTORY, SPECS, PRICES, ETC.

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\n SUN ELECTRONICS WAS CONTACTED TODAY BY ONE OF THE LARGEST PV MANUFACTURERS IN THE WORLD. THIS IS WHAT THEY HAD TO SAY:\n\n“WE HAVE 2 MW’S OF GRADE B PANELS WOULD YOU LIKE TO BUY SOME ? THE PRICE IS SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER THAN 50¢/WATT.”\n\nNormally, we would not be surprised by such a comment but it’s the fact of who they are and that the price they privately quoted us was so amazingly low. \n\nThey are 43¢/watt to you, Brand New, Grade B, with UL and  Warranty. This is a major PV manufacturer known worldwide, they make some the most efficient  thin film modules in the world. These are 75 watts each at 92 Vmp, .82 Imp. Were posting up the spec sheet and finalizing the details on the specs, terms, number of modules to a pallet, and our terms for purchasing them.\n

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\nHERE IS OUR NEXT CONTAINER OF SMALL 18 VOLT MODULES. \n\nTHEY WILL ARRIVE AUGUST 20th.\n

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POLYCRYSTALLINE SILICON PANEL\nOUTPUT: 10w\nBRAND: SUN\nQUANTITY: 100pcs \n

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$2.80

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POLYCRYSTALLINE SILICON PANEL\nOUTPUT: 20w\nBRAND: SUN\nQUANTITY: 100pcs \n

200

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POLYCRYSTALLINE SILICON PANEL\nOUTPUT: 30w\nBRAND: SUN\nQUANTITY: 100pcs \n

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POLYCRYSTALLINE SILICON PANEL\nOUTPUT: 40w\nBRAND: SUN\nQUANTITY: 100pcs \n

100

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POLYCRYSTALLINE SILICON PANEL\nOUTPUT: 50w\nBRAND: SUN\nQUANTITY: 700pcs \n

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POLYCRYSTALLINE SILICON PANEL\nOUTPUT: 60w\nBRAND: SUN\nQUANTITY: 300pcs \n

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POLYCRYSTALLINE SILICON PANEL\nOUTPUT: 70w\nBRAND: SUN\nQUANTITY: 200pcs \n

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POLYCRYSTALLINE SILICON PANEL\nOUTPUT: 80w\nBRAND: SUN\nQUANTITY: 100pcs \n

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POLYCRYSTALLINE SILICON PANEL\nOUTPUT: 120w\nBRAND: SUN\nQUANTITY: 80pcs \n

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POLYCRYSTALLINE SILICON PANEL\nOUTPUT: 140w\nBRAND: SUN\nQUANTITY: 200pcs \n

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\n______________________________________________________________\n\nBRAND NEW SUN MODULES FOR EXPORT ONLY, 240 WATTS \n\nPOLYCRYSTALLINE SILICON PANEL, Grade B, Major Mfr.\n\nOUTPUT 240 WATTS,  Vmp 29.9V, Imp 8.03A\n\nQUANTITY 3000 pcs.\n\nBY 20 OR 40 FT CONTAINER ONLY\n\n$.59/ Watt, FOB Miami Bounded Warehouse\n_______________________________________________________________\n\n \n\n\n

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